So, yes I know who "Doctor Fellgood" is. I had one very small spot in one lymph node. Instead, MRI uses a large magnet, radio waves, and a computer to … I also think that AS is the best initial option to consider in a PCa positive case, Surely AS is not for everyone but for those cases suitable for AS (low indolent risk), it provides quality living during many years till proper intervention becomes necessary, if any. Don't mess around with this beast. I went in for a check up at Urology. He'd sit with my wife during my treatment and then we'd pass each day in the hall and give each other a "High Five", as we passed by each other. Surely, the PSA can be high due to other causes and a blinded biopsy can miss affected cancerous tissues but in the end, the biopsy may provide you peace of mind. This is because of the poor sensitivity and specificity of PSA, and the issue of over-treating men with non-life threatening tumours.3 The current diagnostic technique requires trans-rectal ultrasound (TRUS)-guided biopsy prompted by an abnormal digital rectal examination (DRE) and/or increased PSA. Though some prostate cancer can grow and spread quickly, it usually spreads slowly. My doctor gave me the option of surgery or radiation treatments. This is because lobular breast cancer doesn't show up well on a mammogram or breast ultrasound. When a doc tells you that "something" has shown up on an MRI scan a cold clammy hand grabs at your innards and won't let go...(I lost both my parents to cancer so am always aware that genetically I'm in the losers corner). This is the key finding of a study reported in the Journal of Clinical Oncology. As I mentioned in my earlier post I was all for cancelling the hospital appointments (that denial thing again), but my wife is the one with the common sense.....So here we are....The hospital doc says this thing is small and it's still contained within the capsule, but I know small doesn't necessarily mean not nasty and I guess that unless they do other tests they wont know about any spread....This is what I am freaking about at the moment....Think this is called the "bargaining phase"...I'm still cheerleading for the Prof, but I think that my mind is leading me down other paths......None of them Rosy....To say I'm not taking this well would be an understatement...I agree when you say that we can't believe that it is us that have been picked on.....I have always tried to make light of stuff like this (all the time aware that both my mother and father were taken with cancer at reasonably young ages 70 and 65) ...I've always maintained a healthy weight, kept fit....Could have probably eaten a few more vegetables, but other than that....I now walk down the street and see older or obese men and say why me....guess that's natural......Anyway enough whingeing.....Thanks for your post and your kind words. If not I feel that I will still be able to seek any necessary treatment. I went through the same thing with a Grumpy Urologist. That hadn't even shown up on my MRI's. So make sure and get yourself in the best condition you can and then get right back at it as soon as you feel up to it. At 6 weeks I couldn't take it any more and bugged the hell out of him and ask him If I could try my trainer/spinner bike. I did as you suggested. I also worked with the High School Marching Band as Drum Line Instructor. So, the Lupron caused leg muscle and bone and joint pain on top of the arthritis. ....Glad it worked out for you. Things will work out for you......recomend that you take your wife out for another lunch...make it today. In 2010 I read a Chinese clinical study done by researchers in China that managed some evidence comparing image studies with post biopsy findings. Hi, thanks for your reply.....I can assure you that in the last 6 weeks I have become a prostate cancer "expert" I could probably even take my own prostate out at a push.....So I'm well aware of the gleason scores and staging (although I'd rather not be). On the sub, many of us "coners" (guys working in the forward end of the ship) would do music trivia, so getting off track for a moment into the realm of music seems not like a serious offense to me. The MRI, on the other hand, gives doctors the chance to zero in on a particular lesion in the prostate and gather tissue from that location. But MRI uses strong magnets to make the images – not radiation. When they got inside of me, they realized that I had a birth defect. When researchers combined this traditional method with MRIs to take biopsies, they found cancer up to 33 percent more of the time compared with one method alone, according to research published Wednesday in JAMA Surgery. In this approach, doctors merge previously taken MRI images of suspected cancer with real-time ultrasound technology, and are better able to detect more high-grade cancers than systematic biopsies. Then Dr. Miller had the robot do a mirror image and it got to the lymph nodes on the left side. My favorite English musician is the semi-retired Jeff Lynn, founder of ELO. It was high and worrisome and my grumpy urologist’s explanation did not help me at all. That has never been solved. I could really fly. Several live performances in the set. The following is a study of the use of the MRSI scan in prostate cancer dectection conducted at UCSF Medical Center where I was treated: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1578527/. My experience with the biopsy was a simple painless affair. I was left laying along the road. However, if a sample is taken from these tissues (guided biopsy) and found by a pathologist to be cancerous then the patient would be declared positive and the image exam would provide the extend (size) of the tumour. I understand you being worried, but the high PSA and the 23% free PSA is indicative of probable cancer. It would probably not be approved by an insurance carrier for preliminary diagnostic purposes. I imagine everyone reacts differently, but I'm not proud of myself for acting so bitterly....I'm sure that everybody here has found that the waiting for results is the hardest part.....I only have myself to blame for that part of course "mea culpa". Those dark spots in image could be cysts or calculi non cancerous. (bit like cholesterol).....Not realising as I do now that people under 2 can have PCa.....Maybe the Doc should have been firmer, but I can't blame her.....I took the decision to pass....Just asked if I could be checked every 6 months....She agreed and that's how it was for a few readings (always 3.1) so got complacent and left it for 14 months and then got my unpleasant surprise....I went mainly because my hip started aching, plus a bit of back ache that comes and goes.....and that is now what is freaking me out.....I may be noticing them more than I would usually.....Hell I may even be exaggerating them, but I'm not imagining them....I wasn't avoiding the biopsy because of the needles.....needles don't bother me, although I'm not looking forward to the procedure...I really thought that after what my private guy said (and he was unequivocal here) he looked at my new lowered test results done at his clinic's lab, he asked me some basic questions, gave me a DRE and said "No Cancer"....I hasten to add that this is not some back street butcher.....This guy specialises in the Prostate, he's a professor of Urology, has done some 950 Robotic surgeries, has written many books and scientific papers on the subject, collaborating with American doctors and professors at Sloan Kettering, John Hopkins etc. The MRI can check on it. He explained all this to me around 10:30 the night of the surgery. Just got to suck it up and see what the next few weeks brings. I about fell off the exam table. Use of this online service is subject to the disclaimer and the terms and conditions. Researchers publishing in the Lancet medical journal have shown that an MRI picks up 93% of aggressive cancers, compared with 48% for a biopsy. Regarding the MRI tesla 3 (3T), we know that it provides better image (higher resolution) clear to identify disturbances, but as your doctor commented it does not distinguish cancerous cells from benign. Turned out, I was very glad I did the surgery. I was diagnosed in March 09, I am enrolled in an Active Surveillance protocol....still have not had any Active treatment.......by the way, like you, I have just had another 3 T MRI and am awaiting a biopsy......(always apprehensive before any of these tests, but does not interfer with living and enjoying life), Hi Hopeful and optimistic, Too late for lunch here in the UK, it's dinner time....But know what you mean......I have now realised that when the going gets tough, I'm not only a glass half empty kind of guy, I'm the glass is half empty and there's a dog poop in the bottom of it kind of guy....On the emotional roller coaster at the moment and they wont let me get off. I hadn't heard about the situation with Johnson. In my own case, my level of apprehension has declined in the last 7 years. I have no idea why....it is from Adele; the line goes and it's round and around and around and around we go..... Hi Max, I don't know if the "round and around etc." Dr Miller had to rebuild all that mesh after he was done doing the surgery. That's what they told me. In fact, it is usually very close to 100%. As of August 14th, I will be a three year survivor from the time of diagnosis. I went back to Urology and insisted on a different doctor. I feel we must have other things on our minds than the fight we're all in. Hi Max, What you say is true, but I have had this OCD thing since I was about 8 years old.....Can't unlearn 50 years of bad habits in 10 minutes, especially at times of stress....Plus I have an intensely curious nature......Most OCD types do, we need to "know" answers to questions....We don't let things lie. It was to take 2 1/2 hours. mpMRI, a fabulous predictive tool for PCa. It was a hit and run. "If we can identify the location of tumors and put biopsy needles directly into them, why not find a way to destroy the tumor on the spot? For example, it could be scar tissue … The hip pain/sensation may be a neurological affair. Then, 1 year into this PCA situation, My Chemo Oncologist, suggested I change Dermatologists. I didn't realize it, because I didnt' know her married name. Time will tell next month. She walked in the first time and said "Hey Mr, D (that's what the kids called me), remember me?" Your mind may be playing tricks on you (it did with me too). While the remaining 52 men had no visible lesions, the researchers still found cancer in 15 percent of them using the traditional ultrasound test. MY GP Suggested a different doctor. The Parts of the body that need the most energy and the energy they use is sugar (also called glucose). The prostate may be small, but it has an important job: producing semen, the fluid that carries sperm from the testicles out of the body. MRI scans can work on soft or dense tissue and are especially useful in viewing the spinal cord and brain. Whole body MRI is highly accurate in the early detection of breast cancer metastases Date: May 9, 2010 Source: American College of Radiology / … He said yes, and told me I'd know if I was over doing it. That was mentioned earlier in this section by Hopeful & Optomistic. So, they wouldn't have been able to get the seeds into the postions they needed to be. I was listed as a Stage pT3bN1. (2 weeks later)....Also had a consultation with private consultant from this clinic who specialise in prostate health and problems. It is almost routine to do a standard mpMRI scan for early PCa diagnosis. It is located in the pelvis in front of the rectum and between the bladder and penis. These were called Symposia, from which they current English word symposium is derived. Hi Will, Glad you liked Dr Feelgood.....They're not to everybodys taste......They were a typical Pub Rock band who made good and then fell apart within a few years.....A bunch of working class (you'd say blue collar) boys from a very poor part of industrial Essex, called Canvey Island (about 30miles from London). I was ready to do the surgery from the first day I found out I was dealing with this cancer. The content on this site is for informational purposes only. "......Unfortunately the more I learn the more I fear that this "something" might be what I'm dreading.....This after putting my details into the UT Health and Science centre of San Antonio's nomogram and getting 83 smiley faces out of 100 (meaning I had only a 17% chance of something sinister.....)....To quote a line from my favourite movie Some like it hot "Nobody's Perfect", I remember saying to my wife just before we walked into the hospital urologists office...."If there are scans clipped onto light boxes I'm screwed".....I even jokingly said to try to peek a look at my notes to see if there's a skull and crossbones drawn on them.....Black humour is the only form of protection when facing something like "hospital tests", As for Optimistic and hopefuls helpful posts.....I guess that anything is possible, like I mentioned earlier I am not a good patient and hate taking pills and potions of any kind....the thought of the various treatments for PC just leave me very trepidatious....Could I sleep with the enemy? DRE is a crude tool with low positive predictive value and high inter-observer variability.2 Although PSA levels correlate with … I was wrong. Johnson is not the guy I saw on the other videos. MRI accurately showed final tumor size to within 1 cm in 12 (57%) of 21 patients, underestimated tumor size by more than 1 cm in two patients (10%), and … Thank you in advance Tony. Even after the results of the biopsy, there are cancers (Gleason score measures aggressiveness) that are indolent, that is not likely to spread.....this is fairly common, and can very well happen in your case.....it may be a good idea for you to do research about "Gleason Scores" at this point. Like I say over and over It's one hell of a fight. So since then I have been called to hospital, had a cystoscopy (Tests clear)...a CT Urogram and a 3T MRI....They wanted to give me a biopsy, but in light of the lowered test result and the "diagnosis" from the Prof I asked my hospital consultant (via his secretary as I have yet to meet him) if I could swerve the biopsy and see what the MRI threw up...He agreed. Only the biopsy will do that. Hi Swingshiftworker, That PSA rise must have been a major worry? They talk of remission. Hi Will, Now you're aware of Dr Feelgood, you'll probably keep hearing them "ad nauseum" from now on ....Synchronicity..... How wonderful that your former pupils are helping you out in regards to your health problems.....Just as well you were nice to them, or you could find yourself getting biopsied on a weekly basis, Thanks for the "Heads Up" but I don't think melanoma should be a problem for me, I'm of Italian descent, so have very dark olive skin....never had to worry about the sun in the past.....But never say never I suppose....Don't need to be baiting the "Cancer Gods", Hope your Melanoma stays in remission (good word that). I have 60 titanium staples holding mine in place. I did all sorts of tests all negative with the exception of the PSA. Bone and joint aches and muscle weakness. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) may not be the best diagnostic choice universally for all men suspected of having prostate cancer, according to researchers at Weill Cornell Medicine and NewYork-Presbyterian. In fact, since 2000 that there have been increasing efforts to use the image studies to diagnose cancer; however, each expert involved in PCa used his own experience (acquired along the years of practice) to report findings but no effort was ever done to standardize the interpretation in a system that could be used by the whole medical community. is a gentle "dig" at me.....but Will and I were pretty much off the subject of cancer (well OK, Will was talking about melanoma but that's the least of MY worries)....we were, on the other hand discussing the merits of 70's R&B band Dr Feelgood....Completely off topic....except for the fact that their frontman Lee Brilleaux died at the age of 41, from of all things Lymphoma (talk about coincidences)....Their lead guitarist who Will and I were discussing because of his near death experience with Pancreatic Cancer is a wonderful character called Wilko Johnson.....As you are an anglophile and enjoy Led Zeppelin I heartily recommend you to expand your Brit Rock & Roll knowledge and find a documentary called "Oil City Confidential" directed by Julian Temple about the band Dr Feelgood....Sad, Funny, Poignant and Life affirming and some Kick-*** Rock and roll to boot....Plus as an ex-submariner they hail from a part of the world called Canvey Island famous for it's Oil Tankers and refineries.....(what's not to like? It Seems to me that what this board needs is more symposia.....All this talk of Prostate Cancer is getting a bit morbid, Jeff Lynne of ELO is an amazingly interesting guy......and Sooooooo Talented.....try and find a documentary that was made for the BBC called "Mr Blue Sky" which is Jeff's life from his working class childhood in Birmingham right up to the Travellin Wilburys and the resurgence of ELO.....At 19 I once "totalled" a sports car that I was immensely proud of whilst changing sides on an ELO tape cassette (New world record) that was on constant "hard rotation", More Symposia.....And more wine is the order of the day. They may be used to locate large solid masses and distinguish benign from frankly malignant ovarian tumors, with overall accuracy of 88% to 93%. Copyright © 2021 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved. My leg muscles were so developed from the cycling that they couldn't find the lymph nodes in my right groin. I was 67 when diagnosed. While recent studies have demonstrated that MRI is more accurate in detecting tumors than other diagnostic procedures, there are barriers that … But either way it remains a subordinate bit of data, to assist after a biopsy is in hand. The European uro-radiology “built” a score system based on the data collected from several respected physicians who use to predict cancer not diagnose it. My surgery took 5 1/2 hours to complete. My doctors warned me about most of the side effects, but not into the detail you will find when doing your own research. He has been in this program for years, and recently fathered a child. It was rough, but I've made it this far. We are the good ones and have done nothing bad. Multiparametric MRI may be more sensitive than systematic TRUS-guided techniques for detecting clinically significant prostate cancers and for reducing the number of insignificant cancers diagnosed, although the available data suggest that the information obtained is complementary to that obtained using TRUS-guided biopsy, and at most institutions, a … It's great that you are well-read, that you understand a great deal about PCa, that you are learning the options. If a doctor could state unequivocally that I could keep an eye on this "thing" for the next x number of years, without the danger of it suddenly "ambushing" me between tests and getting up to mischief then I might contemplate it, but I don't imagine any Doc is going to guarantee that.....Therein lies my personal problem, maybe in time I could be persuaded, but for now I know I couldn't go down that road.....I'm very pleased that it is working for you.....Thanks for replying. However now, I go to a distant hospital to a Skin Oncologist for a checkup once a year. The results of the biopsy is the critical information. You usually have an MRI scan in the x-ray (radiology) department as an outpatient. The one side is worse, because I was hit by a truck while riding bike. I was a Music Teacher and taught Instrumental Music in the public schools, plus an elementary & middle school band director. Know that you are in my thoughts and prayers. This thread has become unexpectedly interesting for music people; I am one of them, but don't play anything (except CDs). I suppose it depends how unpleasant the enemy is. Many times I'd let it there, but sometimes change to Jazz or Blues, depending on my state of mind that day. Thank you Da Vinci. A breast MRI scan might also be used to assess the … A PET Scan uses a special substance, this substance is called "tracker" and is almost exactly like sugar, but has a small … Also now-a-days techology for AS are improved with better results. Photo by Volt Collection/Shutterstock, CDC: 10 life-threatening reactions linked with Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, CDC: Flu continues to have 'low' impact as COVID-19 pandemic rages, Study: Rising number of people getting weight-linked headaches, Experts: Vaccines likely to be effective against new COVID-19 variants, Poll: Half in U.S. still not wearing masks when out in public, President Joe Biden's 48-year career in government. But yes, It does give a person hope. Regards, Tony, Tony, If you click my name to the left , you will see what tests I have done in my active surveillance program. At the same annual conference of 2015, Dr. Dan Margolis (a radiologist at UC Los Angeles) introduced the PI-RADS score which ranged from 1 to 5 namely highly unlikely to highly likely. The cancer detection rate among women who actually underwent MRI screening was 16.5 per 1,000 … My GP did a DRE and said everything seemed OK but he thought I should get another opinion. The MRI scan is very sensitive for detecting invasi ve carcin oma. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed, thank you for your good wishes. My Prostate had adhered to my bladder. I myself herald from the US state of South Carolina, founded by English aristocrats in the 1600s. As far as I know, mpMRI is a valuable tool for those cases where a biopsy cannot be performed or it becomes unnecessary due to the evident advanced status of a patient (moving him straight to a treatment), or when a repeated biopsy is done under guidance (in a CT/MRI). The free PSA is indicative of probable cancer radiation was pursued by the vast.. 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